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The Sarah Palin Argument


Ok, so over the last week I have been getting this same comment on my post about Sarah Palin’s speech. They are arguing with me over what I can only call, positives. So here is what they keep saying and I am going to refute everything on the list, or just disqualify it at a reason for me to NOT vote for Sarah Paling… here we go. It all happens below the fold…

Do we really want her to run our country? (consider McCain’s health issues)
They keep saying this about McCain. He’s been seen by MANY doctors and they all agree he is in excellent health. It is an invalid argument as I could make the same argument about Barack and him smoking as well as him and his campaign refusing to release his medical records.

The release of a scant one-page summary for 21 years of care brought some criticism to the Obama campaign – especially when compared to the thousands of pages of medical records released by McCain. Obama promised reporters that if there are additional health-related questions, his campaign would make that information available. “In terms of additional records, if there are particular things that people have questions about, then we’d be happy to give that information,” he said.

The top 10 things you should know about Sarah Palin

1) She is presently under investigation in Alaska for abuse of power
I am assuming that this is in reference to Palin trying to get her ex-brother-in-law fired for using his taser to punish his 11 year old son, Palin’s nephew, which he has admitted to. All of this was done when Palin was not even running for governor. Not to mention that the Alaskan State Troopers DETERMINED that Michael Wooten threatened to kill his wife’s father (Sarah’s father as well) if he helped his daughter get a divorce lawyer. Got that? The man threatened to kill his wife’s father if he helped her get away from his grip.

2) She believes creationism should be taught in public schools
So what. I am an atheist and do not believe in any of it. However I do believe strongly in the virtues and values that the church extols and think that if more people lived by them the world would be a better place. She may BELIEVE that it should be taught in schools however that is not going to happen. I believe that since I pay taxed I should get a free “Bitch Slap” card every year that I can use against anyone I want throughout the fiscal year and be able to put the smack down on anyone I want, one time, without repercussions. My first slap goes to Keef Obermun. THat doesn’t mean I’m going to get it.

3) She is opposed to abortion even in cases of rape and incest
That is ridiculous. Please show me where she has voted against something like this and I will give you credit for it. By the way how can you argue an abortion topic when Barack was the only person in the country to vote against the Born Alive Infants Protection Act?

Legislation was presented on the federal level and in various states called the Born Alive Infants Protection Act. It stated all live-born babies were guaranteed the same constitutional right to equal protection, whether or not they were wanted. BAIPA sailed through the U.S. Senate by unanimous vote. Even Sens. Clinton, Kennedy and Kerry agreed a mother’s right to “choose” stopped at her baby’s delivery.

The bill also passed overwhelmingly in the House. NARAL went neutral on it. Abortion enthusiasts publicly agreed that fighting BAIPA would appear extreme. President Bush signed BAIPA into law in 2002. But in Illinois, the state version of BAIPA repeatedly failed, thanks in large part to then-state Sen. Barack Obama. It only passed in 2005, after Obama left.

4) She is a champion for big oil and supports drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and everywhere else.

Drill Here. Drill Now. Pay Less.

5) While mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire the city librarian because the librarian refused to censor books.

Were any books censored banned? June Pinell-Stephens, chairwoman of the Alaska Library Association’s Intellectual Freedom Committee since 1984, checked her files Wednesday and came up empty-handed. Plus she never resigned or was fired until she herself resigned in August 1999, two months before Palin was voted in for a second mayoral term.

6) She believes global warming is a farce

Global Warming is a farce. There is nothing that anyone can say to me to refute that.

The Environment Minister Sammy Wilson has angered green campaigners by describing their view on climate change as a “hysterical psuedo-religion”.

In an article in the News Letter, Mr Wilson said he believed it occurred naturally and was not man-made.

“Resources should be used to adapt to the consequences of climate change, rather than King Canute-style vainly trying to stop it,” said the minister.

7) In 2007 she put out a bounty on wolves paying $150 for turning in legs of freshly killed wolves.

The program is being used to cull the wolf population to protect other species. It is approved by the Alaska Department of Fish and Game. Not to mention that it wasn’t started by Palin but her predecessor Frank Murkowski!

Shooting wolves from the air has always sparked heated debates in Alaska. It was first put to a public vote in 2000, when the citizens of Alaska gathered around a public referendum to ban the aerial hunting of wolves. Discouraged by the public view, then-Governor Frank Murkowski bypassed the aerial hunting ban by still allowing pilots to participate in land-and-shoot practices.

8) She is opposed to listing the polar bear as an endangered species and is suing the federal government over it.

At present, polar bear populations are robust and, according to native peoples living in the Arctic, are considerably larger than they were in previous decades. Predictions of polar bear endangerment are based on two sets of computer models: one set predicts how much Arctic sea ice will melt as a result of global warming, and the other predicts how polar bear populations will respond. But computer models of climate change are known to be fraught with problems, and the ecological models used to predict polar bears’ response to climate shifts are equally limited.

It is essentially impossible to know whether polar bears are endangered and whether their habitat is threatened by manmade global warming or other natural climate cycles. What we do know about polar bears is that, contrary to media portrayals, they are not fragile, “canary in the coal mine” animals, but are robust creatures that have survived past periods of extensive deglaciation. Polar bear fossils have been dated to over 100,000 years ago, which means that polar bears have already survived an interglacial period when temperatures were considerably warmer than they are at present and when, quite probably, levels of summertime Arctic sea ice were correspondingly low.

Besides that

Bears are soulless, godless, rampaging killing machines. They are Satan’s minions and the TRUE symbol of evil. Once believed to be the work of dragons, Bears (like purple donkeys) enjoy running around the woods molesting and raping innocent people and squids. For years now, ravenous bears have had free reign to use our woods as their personal latrine, protected by their “endangered” status. Now the government is wisely considering ending the grizzlies’ special treatment in order to protect our honey jars and Paddington Station. Bears’ strong vitality and resilience makes them one of mother nature’s nearly unkillable animals. A bear has never been downed by any less than five gunshots. Combinations of high explosives, assault weapons, and trebuchets have been known to only piss the bear off. Why can man-kind put a man on the moon, but not invent a weapon that can take down Big-Yogi over there?

9) She supports aerial hunting of wolves and bears even though Alaskans voted twice to ban the practice.

I defer back to #7. You had a chance to put your talking points out there to support your dislike of Palin and used the same point on 2 points? Ridiculous. Typical left, unable to get ANYTHING right. But here’s another quote just to satisfy your hatred.

Wildlife biologists say that population can sustain an annual harvest of 30 percent to 40 percent of that number. The number of wolves the state wants killed each year is a fraction of that percentage. In the most recent season that ended last spring, for example, wildlife managers wanted no more than 664 wolves killed.

10) She used $400,000 of state money to fund a media campaign in support of aerial hunting

So I guess you are thinking about this argument based solely on environmental issues. However taking a point like the one above and reducing it to a brokendown talking point is typical lefty. The headline doesn’t match the data and it’s typical for you guys to say something that isn’t true knowing that no one on your side will look into it. Looking just below the surface ALWAYS blows it out of the water.

Fish and Game Commissioner Denby Lloyd would not comment about the education money when asked Friday.

He wrote a column in the pro-hunting Alaska Outdoor Council’s summer newsletter saying the wildlife division plans to educate the public about predator control largely by distributing two publications through Fish and Game offices statewide.

A booklet will explain the science behind the program and an annual report will detail its goals and successes. One success has been in the 23,000-square-mile Game Management Unit 13, between Cantwell and Glennallen, where the effort has boosted moose numbers, game managers say.

This spring, the state reported that aerial moose surveys show moose increased by 14 percent and calves by 110 percent.

The publications will emphasize that wolves and bears aren’t threatened and that the program won’t change that, Lloyd wrote. They will also note that the state won’t eliminate animals from areas where aerial hunting is allowed.



  1. Sarah Palin: Sincere but misinformed

    I like Sarah Palin. She is sincere and full of energy. But she is woefully misinformed.

    No sex education! Whoops! Teenager has a baby!
    Shouldn’t that be a clue?
    Brother-in-law is harassing her sister. Palin pulls strings to get him fired. Is that going too far?
    Doesn’t like some of the books in the local library. She asks the librarian if she would mind removing certain books. The librarian indicates she will not tolerate censorship. Palin gets her fired.

    The common thread here is the self-appointed assumption that what I (Palin) decide is better for you than what you decide. Ohh, that smacks of totalitarianism! Too bad it hasn’t worked, doesn’t work, and won’t work in the future. Most amazing of all (and tragic) is that some people don’t like to think for themselves. They are mentally lazy, and oh-so willing to let others make these crucial decisions for them. You could see a few mindless drones waving flags and cheering her at the Republican Convention.

    Reminds of the Stockholm syndrome. The captives after a while begin to idolize their kidnappers. “I’m going to restrict
    what you can say and do, but trust me, this will be good for you!” Yeah! Pit-bull with lipstick!
    (And the crowd goes wild!)

  2. Ed says:

    Are you kidding me? There is sex education in Alaska she just prefers to live by the ideal of abstinance, the only PROVEN form of birth control.

    It’s unclear what sex education Bristol Palin, 17, received in her Alaska school. The campaign did not answer questions about the issue, although a spokesman for Palin said Friday the Alaska governor “supports teaching abstinence alongside sex education.”

    Her daughter is pregnant, so what! Even your own Messiah says to leave it alone. It is a non-point. If she had aborted the left would applaud her.

    The librarian didn’t get fired she retired.

    “I’m going to restrict what you can say and do, but trust me, this will be good for you!”

    Sounds like someone is forgeting the left’s agenda in regards to the “Fairness Doctrine“…

    Ms. Pelosi recently said she supports resurrecting the Fairness Doctrine, a 1949 Federal Communications Commission policy that required broadcasters who sent out specific messages to set aside time for opposing view points.


  3. ellennyc says:

    “he has worked with Republicans to pass legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles. The legislation became law last year. To demean that accomplishment would be to also demean the work of Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, a respected foreign policy voice in the Senate. In Illinois, he was the leader on two big, contentious measures in Illinois: studying racial profiling by police and requiring recordings of interrogations in potential death penalty cases. He also successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform legislation”. (yahooNews)

    Oh and as far as Palin supporting sex ed: here’s another quote for the record:

    Palin: “Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support”.

    PS name calling rarely makes one look intelligent, virtuous or confident.

  4. pobept says:

    I guess that a candidate is not allowed to have their own view on issues such as, religion, conservation, weather, school, sexual orientation if they differ from yours.

  5. ellennyc says:

    the question is not about having the right to have opinions, but about having the justification for holding such opinions. the fact that they are grounded in religion, defies the mandate for the separation between church and state, which makes them unconstitutional. if she would like to change the constitution, she is entitled to that opinion. but she should be straightforward about it. that is her obligation.

  6. Ed says:

    “he has worked with Republicans to pass legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles.

    Big F’ing deal. It wasn’t “his” law he just voted for it, as opposed to all the ones he voted present for. Who wouldn’t vote for this? He really wen’t out on a limb here didn’t he! It would be like not voting for something that even Pelosi put her stamp on… the Born Alive Infants Protection Act… oh yeah he voted against that.

    Palin: “Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support”

    She can support or not support whatever she wants. The people decide and for those decisions they can’t decide on they have voted a representative to make those decisions for them. She has an over 80% approval rating. I think the people of Alaska trust that she has the same opinion as them. Unless of course you’re saying the people of Alaska are too stupid to know they made a bad choice in their leadership…

    PS name calling rarely makes one look intelligent, virtuous or confident.

    That’s what we do around here. Name calling is cathartic, turd-burglar. It’s called tough love. If you’re gonna visit expect to be insulted. I insult everyone equally. I am an equal-opportunity racist, I hate everyone equally. Consider me a bi-pedialist.

    I guess that a candidate is not allowed to have their own view on issues such as, religion, conservation, weather, school, sexual orientation if they differ from yours.

    Are you agreeing with me or them? I think you’re agreeing with me. If so then ARIIIIGHT! If not, that is a lefty tactic where they act like they are all about “free speech” unless someone disagrees with them then when we disagree and argue they say “you’re trying to stop my free speech”. They’re idea of reaching across the aisle is saying agree with my idea and we’ll get along and I can not like anything you do unless you do it my way.

    the fact that they are grounded in religion, defies the mandate for the separation between church and state, which makes them unconstitutional.

    The phrase “separation of church and state” is not found in the Constitution! This language from Thomas Jefferson’s 1802 letter to the Danbury Baptists in which he argued that the Constitution created a “wall of separation between church and state.” But, as noted above, separationists have never taken the phrase as anything more than a handy (if historically significant) summary of the intent of the religion clauses of the First Amendment. Separationist scholar Leo Pfeffer, for example, notes:

    “No magic attaches to a particular verbalization of an underlying concept. The concept at issue here is more accurately expressed in Madison’s phrase ‘separation between Religion and Government,’ or in the popular maxim that ‘religion is a private matter.'” (Church, State, and Freedom, pp. 118-119).
    Second, accommodationists don’t apply this argument consistently. Pfeffer, for example, observes that:

    (T)he phrase “Bill of Rights” has become a convenient term to designate the freedoms guaranteed in the first ten amendments; yet it would be the height of captiousness to argue that the phrase does not appear in the Constitution. Similarly, the right to a fair trial is generally accepted to be a constitutional principle; yet the term “fair trial” is not found in the Constitution. To bring the point even closer to home, who would deny that “religious liberty” is a constitutional principle? Yet that phrase too is not in the Constitution. The universal acceptance which all these terms, including “separation of church and state,” have received in America would seem to confirm rather than disparage their reality as basic American democratic principles (pp. 118).

    If you’re going to make an argument make sure your facts are correct, don’t just think you’re going to pass me the fucking Kool-Aid and think I’m gonna take a drink of what you’re pouring down your throats. I’ll be here all the time, I’m in ur base killin ur d00dz!

  7. Rosetta says:

    A couple of points of clarification on the abortion issue that I think are important.

    Palin said in a debate in Alaska that she is personally pro-life meaning that she believes life begins at conception.

    The moderator asked her, “what about if your daughter was raped?” She replied that she would still choose life.

    That shocks the delicate sensibilites of those that are anti-life (heh) but it is the most principled pro-life position.

    Palin has stated that she believes abortion is only appropriate if it was necessary to save the life of the mother.

    Having said all that, these are her PERSONAL views. Being that she’s not a liberal nanny-state nazi, I don’t believe she has stated that she thinks it’s her right to force her personal views on everyone else by outlawing abortion.

    Overturning Roe v Wade because it’s a ridiculous legal ruling and returning the abortion decision to the states is something that I believe the does support.

    Again, because she is not a nazi like so many liberals that want to force their world view on people, she believes the federal government should be silent on the issue.

  8. Rosetta says:

    If any of the liberal commenters on this post would be so kind as to answer a question I have, I would appreciate it.

    Can you name three things that Obama has done in his life that qualifies him to be President?

    Thank you in advance for answering that.

  9. Ed says:

    Hey thanks for commenting. I was waiting to say something to see if they came back in and kept dropping their talking points off and then running for the hills. But it turns out that they don’t like digging a bit deeper into what they are saying. I hate to say it most most humans, not all but most, are pretty stupid. The left can drop those lines on them and they go, “Oh my GOD, did you hear that that Palin lady shoots wolves from airplanes?” and that meme gets repeated to their friends and to their friends and slowly it becomes truth because they are too stupid and lazy to look into it. Then when you call them on it they can’t back anything up and they run away to wash the sand from their mold vaginas.

    I think it was Mark Twain that said…

    “A lie can travel halfway round the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.”

  10. Rosetta says:

    I agree. Their argument kung-fu is weak like a preemie baby.

    Maybe they left to organize their communities.

  11. Ed says:

    Snap… Crack… WOOSH!

  12. Ed says:

    I’m right here. Bring it on PETA posters! For anyone else reading the argument was started here..


  13. Ed says:

    I gotta run an errand. I’ll be back in an hour. BRING IT ON PETA!

    I’m gonna break all of your bad habits.

  14. StevenJ says:

    Hi Ed, I told you I’d catch up with you. I’ll address a few of your points, but then I seriously want you to address mine.

    1- The Alaska Investigation – yes, the campaign let information leak about her brother-in-law who did act questionably. But, that is all we know. Why is John Coghill, the GOP chairman of the state House Rules Committee & a McCain ally trying to remove the Democratic state senator in charge of the so-called “troopergate” investigation. It’s been reported that the campaign is afraid of an “October surprise”.

    2-I’m an athiest too. I am concerned that her fundamentalist beliefs are consistent with the Bush administration — arguably at the core of some disasterous policies.

    3-Her position on abortion is absolute. No, never, Roe v. Wade needs to be overturned. In November 2006, then gubernatorial candidate Sarah Palin declared that she would not support an abortion for her own daughter even if she had been raped. (Huffington Post – 9/12/08)


    5-10: Ludicrous. Each and every item in terms of Alaska is credible and info is readily available from impartial analysts. If need be, I will get back to you with government sources.

    But a few of the questions you did not answer this afternoon:

    1- Please give me three major issues where McCain/Palin depart from Bush/Cheney. And, Iraq doesn’t count — simply because Bush now acknowledges we need timelines and McCain wants to stay there for 100 years, well….

    2- The McCain campaign keeps throwing the word “maverick” around. Where Senator McCain broke with his party, candidate McCain and reversed himself and is now in step (e.g., was pro-choice/now pro-life, bush tax cuts bad/bush tax cuts should be permanent, border control — securing the border first is ineffective/now it’s the objective, and my favorite — immigration legislation he wrote with Ted Kennedy he now opposes).

    3- Rick Davis said the campaign will “not be about the issues”. How could it be? Their entire platform is lies.

    Let’s start with those. See ya later, Steve

  15. StevenJ says:

    By the way Ed, I don’t what PeTA person you’re talking about, but I assure my “talking points” are not solely based on campaign. I also subscribe to the McCain campaign news, Human Rights, and (ugghh) Ann Coulter. So I have a pretty good idea of what your side is spinning. I also check out FOXNEWS from time to time and, for all the right-wingers who get their information from FOX, they shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near the polls.

    Rosetta — I’ll answer your question about what makes Obama qualified to be president and then I hope you will answer mine:

    Obama has a track record for showing courage and wisdom. I’ll take a page out of Al Gore’s speech and make the Lincoln comparison — Lincoln having only one year in Congress. But both had the foresight to stand up to the entire Congress and reject a popular war which turned out to be very unpopular.

    As far as what he’s done in the Senate, here’s a compilation from the Library of Congress: http://www.phxnews.com/comment.php?cid=266443

    Now, I would appreciate your take on how McCain/Palin break from Bush/Cheney. I posed the same question for Ed, but take a stab at it too.

    Please explain to me what the appeal is of a fundamentalist (unless of course a person is one too), duplicitous soccer mom and a veteran with PTSD & anger issues who opposes benefets for veterans.

  16. Ed says:

    All right! Ok. I’m going to get to these points 1 by 1 in a bit. I assure you I look forward to this. If you can change my mind on this I will be most impressed. I’m looking for another writer on here and from what I’ve read so far… I’ll be back in a bit.

  17. StevenJ says:

    The truth is that I haven’t found anybody willing to have a serious conversation about these things. So I really am looking forward to talking with you. See ya tomorrow, Steve

  18. Ed says:

    I’m trying to finish my non-blog oriented obligations with my family. i will finish this tomorrow.

  19. Ed says:

    I’m on lunch and I have a few minutes so I’ll get through this as fast as I can. Here are your questions and I’ll get the other points you made later.

    1. Please give me three major issues where McCain/Palin depart from Bush/Cheney.

    The problem with this question is that because they are from the same party the differences are not quite as easily spelled out. In order to gain the nomination of the party McCain needed to come back from his far left of right stance and bring in the base. First I think that McCain and Palin will definitely take a more proactive stance on or energy concerns. Drill Here, Drill Now has become a mantra of not only the Republican Party but the majority of Americans.

    The poll of 920 adults taken last week shows that 73% think “fuel prices at the pump” are a bigger problem for the country than climate change, the new term for global warming. Only 23% say climate change is more important.

    Next I believe that McCain and Palin will depart from Bush by stopping the major complaint of Republicans that government spending has not gone done like Bush promised in his campaign. I think that they have hit it right on the money with promising to veto any bill with earmarks. Now basing this promise on their records we’ll have to see if this happens. According to a CNN article

    Sen. John McCain has been a crusader against so-called earmarks and says his opponent, Sen. Barack Obama, has asked for almost $1 billion in pork-barrel projects for his state in just less than four years in the Senate…

    … Just to put it into perspective, he got $98 million worth of earmarks in fiscal year 2008. Sen. [Hillary] Clinton got more than $300 million in earmarks, and Sen. [Thad] Cochran, Republican of the [Senate] Appropriations Committee, got $800 million in earmarks,” Steve Ellis of Taxpayers for Common Sense said.

    This is not where out budget should be going and you have to agree that all of it needs to be stopped. I think putting all of that money into our schools would be a much better place for it. But then again I could be wrong, but I don’t think so.

    Last I will say that I think that Palin brings something that no candidate on either side can bring. I think what her greatest appeal is that she comes off as someone who isn’t trapped in the “Washington Lifestyle”. I think not only does her record show this but her popularity rating in Alaska departs from anyone in Washington. The Republican party needed someone who could stand in front of the American people and have them say, “You know what, I think she understands us”. That is something that no candidate in the last 24 years has done.

    If you want more I got more. Let’s start with baby steps.

    2. The McCain campaign keeps throwing the word “maverick” around…

    I think the word Maverick comes from the fact that there are MANY issues that he goes against the Republicans with, which is not a positive in my book, but exciting none-the-less. Immigration is a huge one but last summer when they tried to pass Immigration Reform the American people spoke out and got it stopped. I think that he has some valid points in what he proposed however it needs to be done right. Build the fence, then work on the illegal alien issue we have here. I speak from experience on that as I live in Phoenix. Ground-Zero in the problem. He heard us and won’t let it come back into the game the same way. Not to mention that the word “Maverick” comes from the left… yes I said the left. The term Maverick stems from Samuel Augustus Maverick (1803-1870) a land speculator, rancher, merchant and lawyer who was born in South Carolina, went to Yale, then wound up in Texas in 1835. His life story closely parallels McCain’s own life story including spending time held captive in an enemy prison. I say this because McCain was HAILED as a Maverick by the left because…

    … he’s a person who refused to be branded or part of a herd. A nonconformist or rebel. Independent, unconventional and unorthodox. Someone who won’t be constrained by party labels.

    But since he is the representative of the Republicans… not so much anymore but still true. He’s a Maverick until he runs for president against the Democratic candidate. The right’s idea of Maverick is far different than the left’s. I see it as a negative, you see it as a positive.

    3. Rick Davis said the campaign will “not be about the issues”. How could it be? Their entire platform is lies.

    Let’s be fair here. That is only PART of the quote. The rest of it changes your question entirely and kind of makes it look like a bit of a dink of the Obama-Aid you’ve been drinking…

    “This election is not about issues,” said Davis. “This election is about a composite view of what people take away from these candidates.”

    Davis added that issues will no doubt play a major role in the decisions undecided voters will make but that they won’t ultimately be conclusive. He added that the campaign has “ultimate faith” in the idea that the more voters get to know McCain and Barack Obama, the better the Republican nominee will do.

    To be honest that comment is VERY true. The more we know about him the lower his numbers go.

    Well that’s it for now, I gotta get back to work. I’ll refine this more later.

  20. StevenJ says:

    Hey Ed,

    You really do make some good points, but, again, it seems like some of these points are spin by the McCain camp to incite fear in the public.

    1) that offshore drilling will solve anything is HIGHLY questionable and an oil-industry-propelled position:

    a) The federal “Energy Information Administration says that even if both coasts were opened, prices would not begin to drop until 2030. The only real beneficiaries will be the oil companies…” (New York Times 6/19/08)

    b) Even T. Boone Pickens, a life-long oil tycoon and ultra conservative republican, says that this consensus between the Bush administration and the McCain camp is not the answer: “This Is One Emergency We Can’t Drill Our Way Out Of.”

    c) The oil industry has 44,000,000 acres of land to drill on already. Drilling is already at an all-time high and has not solved anything. But no one is aware of this http://www.democracynow.org/2008/7/1/oil_and_gas_drilling_on_public

    d) because McCain is owned by oil lobbyists — http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/mccain_advisers_have_also_doub.php

    2) I will agree about McCain’s earmark record — it’s admirable. But why is he holding his running mate out to be equally responsible? Sarah Palin asked for $450 million in earmarks as governor for a population of 6,000. She “rejected” the bridge to nowhere AFTER the House refused to allocate any more money. “The watchdog group said one of the reasons was that she hired a lobbying firm run by a former staffer for Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska, one of Washington’s most legendary earmarkers.” (CNNPolitics.com Fact Check)

    3) I also have to agree that people relate to Palin because they believe that she is relatable and not a Washington insider. I just hope the people are not dumb enough (and that comment is not directed at you) to vote for a president based on a popularity contest. It frightens me.

    Sorry, that was the first question. Here’s the second part:

    Maverick — thank’s for the background. I never really thought about it. But the “maverick” connotation as thrown around by the campaign is to allude to a candidate of “change.” This simply is NOT the case. Even if I agree with your take on immigration, (and I don’t) there is no major issue on which he has not reversed himself to alignment with Bush.

    So I’ll give you that ONE, I feel generous — all that Obama-ade ya know…

    Rick Davis – okay, you got me. I did take the comment out of context, but not the campaign. They are running a pageant with the former beauty queen (and I’ll never get that one!) distracting attention from the issues.

    Why did Davis say that she will not talk to journalists unless they show her to proper “respect and deference.” I saw the Charles Gibson interview: she had no clue what the Bush doctrine was, her foreign policy will be based on the fact that she is tied to the oil industry and that she can see Russia from her house, and that we NEED to address Iran and Russia if we deem either to be a threat. Ummm, more pre-emptive wars.

    So Rick Davis is duplicitous as the candidates and the Karl Rove campaign they’re trying to run.
    But I do hope you’re right about the issues coming out. Obama has been trying to run a dignified campaign but McCain won’t get out of the mud. So I’m really hoping Obama starts to hit back and expose all the LIES that generate this campaign.

    I gotta say, I do get a kick out of the emblem you have for the Democratic party. It’s very creative.

    I’ll have to come up with one of my own for the right-wing nut jobs. But liberals aren’t as creative as the conservatives; we stick to facts, you guys use propaganda.

    Rosetta, where’d you go?


  21. Ed says:

    All great points although there are a few things I am going to disagree with and a few I am going to expound upon.

    1. I am not a fan of John McCain, I voted for Mitt Romney. That being said I am voting for the Shit Sandwich and not the Douchbag… I assume you know what I’m talking about.

    2. Drilling now isn’t about getting the oil out of the ground and putting it in my tank tomorrow. It’s about the middle east’s choke hold on us because they know the Democrats are blocking the SUPPLY that oil would add to the MARKETS thus bringing down DEMAND thus lowering prices. When are they going to start taking out my engine that I have in my 2003 Toyota Celica and changing it to electric or hydrogen? When is the technology going to be available that is reverse compatible with my engine? Oh yeah… 2030…

    3. T. Boone Pickens, a life-long oil tycoon and ultra conservative republican, says that this consensus between the Bush administration and the McCain camp is not the answer… Obama Aid…

    With the Senate debating energy policy this week, some have pointed to billionaire T. Boone Pickens’ efforts to build massive wind farms as the direction America should take in the long term. Unfortunately, Pickens himself doesn’t agree. Not only does he want to drill off-shore, he wants to sink a few wells in ANWR, too. He tells CNN that foreign oil is “the enemy”…

    Go ahead and click the link. You’ll see a video of him saying…


    3.Let’s break down some of Obama’s “dignified campaign” tactics…

    – McCain is so old he doesn’t know how to use a computer
    – McCain has a VERY bad temper and may go nuts at any minute
    – McCain may be too old and die in office
    – Palin has no experience
    – Palin is a mother and is irresponsible by running for public office
    – Palini kills wolves/moose/baby seals for no reason
    – They are running a pageant with the former beauty queen… oh sorry that was you…

    Come on. I’m willing to put down the McCain Coolers if you put down the Obama-Aid for a minute and agree that both of these men are politicians and you know how to tell that a politician is lying don’t you? Their lips are moving. Obama is NOT the cosen one. he lacks experience, he lacks any foreign policy experience, he has yet to get any law passed of his own accord, he’s never run anything, he’s a JUNIOR senator, he’s writing checks that the American taxpayer can’t cash… I’m enjoying our conversation. I have another point in regards to Palin but I will wait until it comes up from you first. I look forward to your response.

  22. Sam says:

    Hmmm…thought I would get to read about God’s 4-legged creatures on this site.

    Instead, I’m sorry to discover Ed should be banned from in-bedding his link via the PETA website.

  23. Ed says:

    Here. Have a glass of tears with your BOO-HOO-BERRY pie. You want the animal story go here…


  24. StevenJ says:

    Ed, I really want to respond and I will in the morning. I’m just sitting here laughing my ass off. Like you said, when the issues come out we’ll see who’s the shit sandwich & the douchbag. And then there’ll be Obama & Biden.

    All in one day —

    1) Sarah Palin refuses to participate in “troopergate” investigation… There’s more but I’ll give you all the links tomorrow.

    2) With the Dow dropping 500+ points and every economic indicator going haywire, McCain stands up and says the “fundamentals” of the economy are strong. I guess he agrees with his economic advisor — his name escapes me, the guy responsible for the mortgage crisis — who said the Americans were whiners.

    3) FOXNEWS anchors are starting to call out the campaign for lying.

    4) After a week of claiming that Obama called Palin a “pig”, today he said “no” Obama didn’t say that.


    5) KARL ROVE says that the McCain campaign is not being “100% accurate” — translation, they’re a bunch of lying scumbags.

  25. StevenJ says:

    and i really wish i had the time to address the other things right now — especially foreign affairs. i might be a little weak in this area. we only have biden on our ticket; you guys have palin and see can SEE russia. i love it. see ya tomorrow.

  26. Ed says:

    I look forward to it. I let Rosetta know you were calling him out. I’m guessing he’ll be on tomorrow. Have a good night. What part of the country are you in? Job? Age? Etc…

  27. StevenJ says:

    I just took a second to check back. I’m a New Yorker but I just moved to Florida in January. I’m 44, married (a woman), accountant by profession but finishing up law school.

    What about you?

  28. StevenJ says:

    i mean i am a woman, not that i married one. excuse me for not proofreading.

  29. Ed says:

    Ha ha. I got it. I’m 35, married 10 years this summer, I live just outside of Phoenix, I’m a graphic designer, we just moved back from Florida because we couldn’t stand it.

  30. StevenJ says:

    You wanna call a truce for a couple of days? Just a couple.

  31. Ed says:

    Ok. Get back to me when you can… P.S… why Steven? You run out of talking points? Just kidding… maybe…

  32. StevenJ says:

    Are you serious? I just don’t like to kick a guy when he’s down?

    I mean, have you seen a newspaper this week?

    See ya later…

    p.s. I’m waiting for Rosetta to come up with something too. Slim pickins these days, huh boys?

    (ya know i’m mostly joking right?)

  33. Ed says:

    Why yes actually I have seen a paper and this is what it said:

    “In January, I outlined a plan to help revive our faltering economy,” Obama said, “which formed the basis for a bipartisan stimulus package that passed the Congress.” Barack Obama…


    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, when asked Tuesday whether Democrats bear some of the responsibility regarding the current crisis on Wall Street, had a one-word answer: “No.”


    In thanking a young Indian-American man for the support of his Indian-American group, Sen. Biden touts how Indians are the fastest growing immigrant group in Delaware and says, “You CANNOT go into a 7-11 or a Dunkin Donuts without an Indian accent.”

    OK that one’s old but this one isn’t…

    Sen. Joe Biden, D-Delaware, told Missouri State Senator Chuck Graham to stand up. Graham is confined to a wheelchair.


    Barack Obama approved sex education to KINDERGARDNERS! I dare you … DARE you to call that a lie… I DARE YOU! I will link to the actual bill in a heartbeat… I DARE YOU TO CALL IT A LIE!!!

  34. StevenJ says:

    Oh man, I gotta get some sleep, but I just can’t resist.

    Let me just start off by saying Nancy Pelosi is a disgrace to every godless nanny-state-loving liberal worth their weight. There is NOTHING I am aware of that I would defend. In fact, with a Democratic led Congress, she’s pushing through legislation in favor of off-shore drilling. The rationale? Well, the moritorium on drilling is over in a few weeks so we have to pass a bill to prevent… I can’t even follow the logic. But then she says, well “they won’t drill anyway.” So you guys can have her, I don’t want her, you can slam her all you want, and I’ll help you.

    Now, back to the Deceit Campaign. You can’t really believe the sex ed to kindergarteners nonsense. Can you? Obama wanted to make sure that they learned about sexual predators: The Washington Post called the ad “dishonest and deceptive,” and The New York Times said, “At most, kindergartners were to be taught the dangers of sexual predators.”

    The facts: 1. The bill was not Obama’s. The sponsors were Democrats Carol Ronen, M. Maggie Crotty, Susan Garrett , Iris Y. Martinez and Jeffrey M. Schoenberg 2. The measure never passed. 3. The legislation in several places said all sex ed had to be “age and developmentally appropriate.” Obama backed teaching youngsters about inappropriate touching by strangers. 4. The bill would let parents opt out of a sex education course. http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/09/mccain_wrong_on_obama_and_sex.html

    Ed, work with me here. You really want to talk economy? Now?


    (1) Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) proposed a sweeping set of federal reforms Tuesday to combat mortgage fraud, ratcheting up enforcement and creating a national database of brokers who have been disciplined. (Chicago Tribune, February 15, 2006) http://obama.senate.gov/news/060215-obama_durbin_pr/

    (2) His 2007 letter to the fed chairman, Bernanke, and treausary secretary Paulson, advocates the need for regulation, and proposes other changes, to prevent an imminent mortgage crisis: http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-80305

    McCain – until yesterday, he was adamant against regulation. what’s that thing you guys like to say… “the market is the great arbiter” and ummm “smaller government”. yeah, that’s it:

    (a) Phil Graham & McCain 1999 – deregulate industry — http://www.nowpublic.com/world/mccains-good-buddy-gramm-architect-deregulation-wall-street-0

    (b) As the markets crashed, McCain says “The fundamentals of our economy are strong.”

    (c) But that’s only because in January, McCain made it clear that voters who felt the economy was the most important issue shouldn’t vote for him. He’ll understand: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/22/16183/0093/684/572922

    okay, that’s economics.

    how about —

    1-foreign policy and the right-wing war mongers vs. the thoughtful, rational non-fear-mongering liberals.

    2-environmental schizophrenics vs. the reasonable, scientifically-based democratic positions.

    3-you fill in a couple. my brain just shut down. i’m beat.


  35. Ed says:

    Wow. I’m not sure if I have the time to not only stop laughing but also type a response to all of this. So here I go…

    1. The bill was not Obama’s.

    So what. It might not have been his, but there is one big factor… HE’S RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT! Here is an excerpt from the bill that you may find interesting.

    The old law read:

    Each class or course in comprehensive sex education offered in any of grades 6 through 12 shall include instruction on the prevention, transmission and spread of AIDS.

    Senate Bill 99 struck out grade six, changing it to kindergarten, in addition to making a few other changes in wording.

    The New Law Read

    Each class or course in comprehensive sex education in any of grades K through 12 shall include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread of HIV.

    Byron York tracked down the five state senators who sponsored the bill — only one of whom would talk to him, natch — to see how honest Obama’s been in stressing that the thrust of the bill was to teach kids how to recognize molestation:

    When I asked Martinez the rationale for changing grade six to kindergarten, she said that groups like Planned Parenthood and the Cook County Department of Health — both major contributors to the bill — “were finding that there were children younger than the sixth grade that were being inappropriately touched or molested.”…

    After we discussed other aspects of the bill, I told Martinez that reading the bill, I just didn’t see it as being exclusively, or even mostly, about inappropriate touching. “I didn’t see it that way, either,” Martinez said. “It’s just more information about a whole variety of things that have to go into a sex education class, the things that are outdated that you want to amend with things that are much more current.”

    So, I asked, you didn’t see it specifically as being about inappropriate touching?

    “Absolutely not.”

    2. Economy… I am going to bow out of this one. Not because I’m wrong, but because I am an artist, not an economist and to be perfectly honest I have no idea what the fuck is going on. Well, that is except that I know Pelosi must have laughed her ass of after saying it was solely Bush’s fault. I do know this though…

    Fannie May , Freddie Mac greased the top Democrats and these “Hopers & Bringers Of Change” got the most…

    1. Dodd, Christopher J / D-CT / $133,900

    2. Kerry, John/ D-MA / $111,000

    3. Obama, Barack / D-IL / $105,849

    4. Clinton, Hillary / D-NY / $75,550

    I wonder if this had any influence on Chris Dodd,chairman of the Senate banking committee? What were these fine Democrats doing besides nothing? There’s enough dirt to go around. Shoveling it solely onto the GOP is unfair. I do believe that it was Sen. John McCain that said WAAAAAAY back in 2006…

    If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.
    — John McCain, May 25, 2006

    Of course we know what Congress did… nothing. This all started with Andrew Cuomo who gave birth to the home loan crisis. He…

    …turned the Federal Housing Administration mortgage program into a sweetheart lender with sky-high loan ceilings and no money down, and he legalized what a federal judge has branded “kickbacks” to brokers that have fueled the sale of overpriced and unsupportable loans. Three to four million families are now facing foreclosure, and Cuomo is one of the reasons why.

    That’s all I’m going to say. I’m no expert but I do know this. Obama has never run anything. He’s no expert in economics, obviously he wants to raise taxes in a down market.

    1-foreign policy and the right-wing war mongers vs. the thoughtful, rational non-fear-mongering liberals.

    2-environmental schizophrenics vs. the reasonable, scientifically-based democratic positions.

    3-you fill in a couple. my brain just shut down. i’m beat.

    Come on really? That (1) is so freaking old. War Mongers? Really? That’s incredibly offensive. From someone that comes from a family full of soldiers I find that close-minded and REALLY offensive. (2) Environmetal schitzos… come on you’re not really going to put that on the GOP are you? That’s just laughable. Global Warming is the biggest fear-mongering scare tactic marketing scheme of all time lead by the biggest hypocrate of all time, Al “ManBearPig” Gore. Consensus my ass. Oh I forgot we’re in a cooling off period right now because of global warming. The tempature hasn’t risen in 10 years because of GLOBAL WARMING. GIVE ME A BREAK! (3) We’ll continue this when your blood sugar has gone back to normal levels.

  36. StevenJ says:

    I’m glad I could give you a good laugh. I aim to please.

    But think about this seriously for a minute. We each have our positions and neither of us is going to change the other’s mind. But you want your guys and I want mine and we basically know what these issues are about. (Even if you’re misguided. hahahaha)

    I believe most people vote based on who has the better commercials. It’s very scary. But that’s my thought for tonight. Now, down to business.

    I never saw the actual legislation. I don’t feel like reading it right now anyway, so I’ll use the text that you quoted from the revised bill.

    “Each class or course in comprehensive sex education in any of grades K through 12 shall include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread of HIV.”

    Consider, first, that if this bill had passed, age-appropriate subject matter would be presented and parents would decide whether they wanted their children exposed to it.

    Even if this were a mandatory curriculum, the text says “any grades K through 12.” In order for that to be interpreted as comprehensive sex ed for kindergarteners, the language would HAVE TO read “every grade K through 12.” The spin doctors understand this.

    The wording (any) leaves this legislation open for interpretation and so, when Obama says he advocated teaching age-appropriate, sexual-predator information, it really is a stretch to spin this to say that Obama promoted legislation to teach kindergarteners comprehensive sex ed.

    The wording is not too broad and not too vague that it is open to assigning meaning. “Any” does not mean “every”.

    I’m no economist either; but I worked with several when I was at Morgan Stanley. All I can say is that when you continue to espouse this nonsense about Obama raising taxes, it’s really weak. Very simply, it’s a matter of what theory you subscribe to. (a) McCain & the conservatives, in general, believe that if you give tax breaks to big corporations and the richest segments of society that it will stimulate the economy. Similar to the trickle-down theory of Reagonomics. Personally, I subscribe to (b) Obama and the liberal position that if you give tax breaks to the 90% to 95% of the working middle class, raise taxes on the richest 5% – 10% (over $250,000 annually), raise the minimum wage and give tax incentives to corporations who do not send jobs overseas that this will tend to stimulate the economy.

    Essentially, I guess if a person is considered “wealthy” or upper middle class then I understand why they would take the conservative view, but that’s just me.
    I didn’t mean to be offensive at all. I only know people in the middle east right now peripherally. But I know several guys who are still suffering from vietnam and have been thrown away. Three out of four of my uncles fought in World War II or Korea, and several of my cousins are vets, no wars though. July made a year that one of my closest cousins died — complications that he back from vietnam with that disabled him, progressed and eventually led to his death.

    So when I say war mongers, I am not referring to the people that actually fight the wars. But the Republican party are a bunch of war mongers. Their entire Bush presidency is based on inciting fear of “terrorists”. McCain/Palin have the EXACT same talking points about Russia, Iran, and, if need be, Korea. How the hell are we going to attack anyone else?

    They will need a draft in my opinion. Either that or we’ll send in the postal service next. Let alone the men and women in uniform are already doing four and five consecutive tours. And getting no assistance when they return. The Republicans sell fear because war makes money. It’s very simple.

    Global warming: the only “scientists” who question global warming are ones that Exxon paid for those conclusions:


    I tried to find some information on skeptics to try to give you some credibility. And here’s what I found, the roughly 60 scientists who question climate change are not actively involved in studying the climate:


    In terms of the earth’s temperature not having changed, if it keeps rising at this rate will be launched into a new ice age in the very near future. Haven’t you heard about polar ice caps melting and inuit peoples who are climate-change refugees. Forget Al Gore if he bothers you. These are REAL issues. Look around. Here – the earth’s temperature change:

    Sources: NASA, World Bank, U.N, and others.

    You sound like you’re getting frustrated. But I understand. If you subscribe to a campaign based on nonsense it would be quite an accomplishment to be able to defend it with any factual information.

    My blood sugar just went down. Thanks.

  37. Ramon says:

    Sorry Ed, StevenJ read you your rights. Your response is pitiful.

  38. Ed says:

    Hey Ramon. Shut the fuck up. Don’t come in this late in the game and drop your allegiance on Steven and call me pitiful. At least I have something to back up my argument besides your stance, “hey, I’m Ramon and I’m named after a 3oz. Maruchan Ramon Beef Noodle Soup because my MOM says my dad says that’s all she’s worth on the street, 25 cents and no nutritional value what-so-evah.” So put up or shut up jackhole.

  39. StevenJ says:

    You know what Ed? You’ve proven that the only thing you and your party are good at is name calling and bullying and, when it comes to putting up or shutting up, you come up with a bunch of indefensible dribble.

    You have no right to slam Ramon for voicing his opinion unless you’re another fascist. Remember, you came on PETA and engaged me. Or rather called me a whiner. You launched this stupid website. You called out the liberals; we don’t chase after a bunch of muscle-flexing, testosterone-driven neanderthals.

    So, I think we’ve establihed what you and your boys of full of. A load of stinking crap.

  40. Ed says:

    Wow. I think you’re getting it. This blog is not meant for “reasonable” people, It is meant to be what it is, crude, indefensible and frustrating to both the reader and to the writer. I’ve said it before, what you see here may or may not be posted simply to get a reaction from the reader or in some cases the writer. In this world of maybe 5,000,000 blogs it takes a heavy hand to get some attention.

    I once went on a Graphic Design interview. When I showed up at the office there were 127 other graphic designers in suits and nice dresses standing around holding their portfolios. They were leaning against walls and sitting thoughtfully in chairs. Some were sipping water bottles. But 127 people with varying portfolio stocks but basically the same person sitting around like cattle. I knew that it was going to be important to stand out. I couldn’t even imagine what it would be like to sit through that many interviews, probably tortuous. So I looked up and down the street the office was on and saw a bakery about 6 doors down. I walked down and bought a fanciful girls birthday cake, it was pink with ribbons and purple roses all over it. I even had them put “To your newest Employee… The Cake Guy!” They bagged it and I had them throw some napkins and forks into the bag. I walked back to the office and waited in line for 1.5 hours. They called me in and I sat down, folding my hands on the desk and looking intently at the art work on the walls, the bag full of cake sitting under the table. The interrogators filed in with coffee and water bottles and sat down for what must have been their 90th questioning. As soon as they started asking the general questions, history, education blah blah blah I reached under the table and slowly started pulling the cake out of the bag. I sat it on the table never missing a beat by continuing to talk about myself and popped open the plastic lid and discarded it onto the floor. I reached into the large brown paper bag which now sat on the table in front of me and began rooting around in it for a fork. They were reading the cake and looking at each other strangely. I got out a fork and began eating one side of the cake. I got a few bites in and after licking my lips I said, “oh my gosh, how rude of me, would any of you like any congrats cake?” A young man in his early 20’s at the end of the table said, “Hell yeah!”. I passed out plates and we ate pink cake together, one girl even went and got me a cup of coffee. The end of the story? I’m still at the same company 6 years later. I got the job that day.

    You’re here, having a conversation with me, testosterone-driven neanderthal or not. I simply was looking for a reaction from Ramon the Noodle. This is a place of tough love. If you cannot get into that, or are so offended by my reaction to someone coming in on your coat tails then maybe this isn’t the place for you. If so it was nice talking to you. If not? WELL THEN PUT YOUR NICE FACE AWAY AND GET MEAN! Didn’t Obama the other day tell you to get in our face? Isn’t turnabout fair play? Well if you want to take your ball home then see ya. But I like you Steven, it would be a shame.

  41. StevenJ says:

    I really like you too. I enjoy debating with you.

    But, really, I don’t get the Karl Rove roll-in-the-mud campaigning. I wish politicians would just stick to the issues.

    You’re right. Obama has to start hitting low, and maybe we all do, to counter to slop being tossed around as truth by the conservatives.

    I don’t think I’m putting on a nice face. This is just me; I’d rather speak rationally than name call. I could be a real scumbag if were talking about low lives or street shit; but I just don’t think campaigning is the place for it. I guess it’s naivete or something.

    You’re right that you have to provoke people to get some attention. I mean that’s what PeTA’s success in based on. And Jerry Springer too.

  42. Ed says:

    Good. I’m glad we have a way-point. I respect your opinion and would never resort to name calling in your direction. That being said you’re a scum-sucking-left-wing-socialist-commie-scum-bag-liberal… just kidding. Gimme one back… it’ll make you feeeeel better…

  43. Ed says:

    Here’s a few good posts of mine featuring real scumbags low lives or street shit…





    That last one is just for fun… talk to you later. Hey do you have an email address? My wife and I wrote a book while we were in Florida. We took photos of the sunset at the beach 365 days in a row and put each day’s photo in the book. I’d love to send you a PDF of it just to show you I’m not the animal you seem to think I am.

  44. StevenJ says:

    That being said you’re a scum-sucking-left-wing-socialist-commie-scum-bag-liberal… just kidding. Gimme one back… it’ll make you feeeeel better


    Alright, let me think about it. I’ll get back to you tonight.

    My email is uncaged64@yahoo.com

    Can’t wait to see your book. Are the photos you took 365 days in a row of people mooning with their fat flabby asses? I don’t trust you…….

    Later Ed

  45. StevenJ says:

    Ed, I haven’t had a chance to get back to you because I’ve been working on a couple of things that are time-sensitive and I’m running out of time.

    Let me ask you something. Can I cross party lines to ask you get you to sign this petition and maybe circulate it through your network? I don’t know of anyone — conservative of liberal — who would condone brutal experiments being conducted on their pet dog. Especially since it’s widely accepted that this practice is unnecessary, sadistic, and medically unreliable.


    I was aiming for 10,000 signatures by October 15. But I guess it wasn’t too bright to first draw up this petition about six weeks ago. Thanks, Camille

  46. Ed says:

    The link doesn’t work. Fix it and I’ll put it up as an independent post. Wait a second. Actually I take that back. Go to the post on the front at the top, comment on it and I’ll put it up as it’s own post.

  47. Anon says:

    You = Fail

  48. mir says:

    Typical republican; fumbling around to make excuses for that sad excuse for a vice president candidate. The woman can hardly do an interview with out Mccain holding her hand the whole way through! This is the woman that could run our country? Also, how many cases of “healthy” old men suffering heart failure or strokes have you seen? His health can change dramatically in the next four years. How about you stop being pathetic.

  49. Ed says:

    Wow. Sounds like someone is a bit touchy on our VP! Maybe we should focus on your candidate. She’s just the VP, besides we don’t want to go into a conversation on your VP do we? Hold on, I’m at Dunkin’ Doughnuts listening to Indian accents everywhere… come on lefty bring it on.

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