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• Gay Marriage Clarification


I have a question, actually maybe a clarification. Isn’t “marriage” something done in a church and regulated by the church? A civil-union is done by a judge? Both need a license to get done that is issued by the state. Now in order to make a “gay-marriage” legal would it not have to be recognized by the church, which I do not think is going to happen. But a civil union would be done by a judge who is working for the state in most cases. Should in fact states make it legal to get a gay-civil union why would any of us care? Both marriage and civil unions give couples the same rights that come to men and women who chose to do so.

Aren’t we the party of “small government” who doesn’t want them sticking their noses in our personal private lives? I have an aunt who is gay. She has been with the same woman for over 30 years, they live together and are basically “married”. Recently my aunt had some heart problems and was hospialized for a few weeks. Her girlfriend was unable to see her because the hospital had a “family only” visitors policy. For the first few days she was upset at not being able to see her until I spoke to her on the phone and told her to just say she was her sister. She was let right in. This seems to be simply punishment for being gay.

Now I am not making the argument because I’m biased, but because we are constantly talking about “small government” and this seems to be violating that. We all agree to not discriminate on sex, color or creed, the latter of which is by choice, should we hold sexual preference against someone but not religion? Now I’m not talking about chicken sex or marrying a bicycle or something. Help me out guys, I am on our side on most everything else but this one is always stumping me.



  1. TRM says:

    I 100% agree with you. But I think you are missing a central point that there are those out there who will not accept a civil union. It must be a “marriage” done by the church, with G-D’s blessing and you all have to watch and like it! I think that is what gets most heckles raised.

  2. Ed says:

    It seems silly. I had a long debate over this at ace…


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  3. Brian says:

    The answer to your opening question is no. When it comes to the legal definition, a marriage is a marriage whether it is officiated by a JP, a Catholic priest, or an Elvis impersonator. A marriage license is a civil (non-religious) document. Yes, the word and the institution have various additional meanings in a religious context but if I go to city hall to obtain a license and to a Justice of the Peace to officiate it, I have a marriage, not a civil union, whether or not I ever step foot in a church. This is a distinction that the religious right refuses to accept.

  4. Ed says:

    Thanks for the info. Do you agree that we (the right) or the left for that matter should be poking their noses into our bedrooms? Actually, I don’t think that’s right… Do you think we the people or the government should be telling anyone that they can’t get married or have rights given to them based on sexual orientation?

  5. Brian says:

    It’s not about the “bedroom”. No one asks straight couples what they do in the bedroom. As consenting adults (and tax paying citizens of this country) we shouldn’t be discriminated against based on our sexual orientation. Yes, I’m outraged that two complete strangers – as long as they are opposite gender – can marry and automatically get the recognition and protections of marriage but two people of the same gender can commit themselves to each other for 10 – 20 – 30 or more years, raise children, etc. and not be entitled to the same. It’s bullshit and it needs to change.

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